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Tips on Buying A Boat - Part 1

Posted on July | 23rd | 2008
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First of all, I want to say a massive thank you to all those who responded to the request for horror stories and tips on buying a boat. Special thanks to the guys at Scuttlebutt for the plug. The response was so overwhelming that there will be a three part response.One thing that didn’t surprise me is me so how passionate sailors are about boats and how to buy them. On balance most people seem to have had good experiences but there was impassioned please to avoid buying a boat at all cost. More on that later.

Today I share some of the best tips. Again, thanks to everyone who contributed.

I’ve always had very modest boats and the trick there is to be patient. I knew I couldn’t take on a project but could fix the cosmetics so I found boats that needed some “updating” but not full restoring.

Edward

I like to inspect a boat out of the water and then put it back in and take her through her paces with a couple of test sails.
If you get a larger boat you might want to hire a surveyor.
Here is a link to a survey check list that I have used in the past.

Joe Rouse

As a yacht broker, the best advice I can give to you is get a very good surveyor! Don’t hire the cheapest one, get the one with good references and credentials. Be there at the survey and do not be afraid to ask questions. The surveyor works for you and you should take full advantage of this. This is also the best time to learn about the systems in your soon to be new boat before they break on you, and they will.

Chris Dowling


DO buy the boat you can afford now, and sail now.

But do not buy a boat if you won’t be able to handle it (needing a little mentoring is okay) or if it’s not the kind of boat you’ll be ready to use any time soon.

Do beg your way onto lots of boats… OPB (other people’s boats) is a fine, fine way to get experience. Play your cards right and some kindhearted, generous, caring boat owners might even let you help out with fiberglass repairs, diesel bleeding, marine head rebuilding, sail patching, circuit troubleshooting, blister removal, halyard retrieval/replacement, teak varnishing, and other secret delights of the boat owner’s life.

Do ask lots of opinion, network, and pay attention to any feelings of unease … or, with luck, feelings that “this one fits just right”.

Don’t believe everything you hear or read is true … or at least, will be true for you and your needs and comfort level.

Pat

1.buying a boat will be one of the most enjoyable things to do - if and only if you use it
2.Buy a boat with the ability to be able to sell it in 5 years time - always look at the next owner
3.Make sure the lady/bride is onboard with your crazy adventure
4.then here is the risky (or less risky) approach.

Find someone in the sailing community with credibility/experience and good heart.

Enjoy the water and be kind to those closest to you.

Corinthian

My comment is to NOT buy a wood boat. Buy a boat that is in great condition so all you have to do is maintain it, which is enough work all by itself. Projects on a boat have a way of distracting one from actually sailing. Just say NO to a Project Boat.

Simple is easier to use. Complicated is usually a lot more money and time.

I suggest you purchase a 12 pack of cold beer and put your thumb out at the local Yacht Club on race night and hitch a ride on OPB for a year or so. You will learn more about making a boat go in one hour of racing than in a week of cruising on your own.

IF you are single and handy with your hands go to the Virgin Islands or other venue with lots of boats and put out your thumb as crew. Be sure to bail if it seems like a bad time and try again. It is about the people.

IF your wife has horses, just plan on sailing solo.

Count Enrico Ferrari

I say buy a dinghy that fits in your backyard.  One with roller furling jib, spinnaker, easy trailer or hoist launching.

The relatively unknown Buccaneer 18 (Buccaneer18.org) provides sailing experience with much of the same equipment you’ll find on most any large boat….and then CHARTER the large boat when you need a “big water” fix.

Emory Heisler

… my comment to first time boat owners is to buy an older, well maintained Catalina 30. They are commodious down below–very nicely done indeed. They sail well, and they are very competitive if you are willing to buy some quality sails, keep the bottom clean and the other things one does. There are lot of used boats around that have been owned for years by original owners who maintain them very well. They are easy to sell with a large market so if you chose to bail after a year or two your loss will be minimal. There is no way to go wring if you buy a well maintained boat.

Doug Mills

Rent


Tips on Buying A Boat - Part 2 - Some Great Practical Advice

Posted on July | 23rd | 2008
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This is part 2 of 3. Yesterday’s can be found here.Great response from Derek Brouwer on buying a boat. These are the questions you need to ask yourself. Thanks Derek!

There are a number of issues when buying a new boat or your first boat. I will assume that you have sailed before.

First question you need to answer for yourself is “What do I want to do with this boat”

1 Either Yacht racing or Cruising or a combination of both. Answering this question will put in the right direction if the type and design of boat you would like to buy.
2 Next identify 1-2 designs you like then try to sail on that design before buying this give you an idea of the boat appointments and capabilities.
3 make you final choice to the design then look for a suitable boat via boat yards and yachting mags.

Decide on a number of boat you might purchase then look them over personally

Ask the prospective seller the following question.

1. How often have you sailed this boat. If they sailed the boat once in 5 year whack 30% off the asking price, a boat that has not been sailed regularly will require more maintenance before you can go sailing

2 Ask to see the different appointments on the boat then ask to see them operating thus ensure that what ever you buy is in working order appointment that are not working whack off money as this is what you will have to pay to get them working.

Once you’ve found the prospective boat and the prospective seller that has shown and given the answers that satisfy you settle on a price now ask for all the paper work manuals service record of all the equipment on the boat. this save you a lot of heartache and pain when you have to work and service them.Buy the boat.

Once you’ve got the boat in you home port go through it once again from stem to stern mailing a list of things that need you attention


Stat with those that will get you boat sailing if you’re lucky it will be ready to sail. Start fixing but most of all start sailing and enjoying your boat.


WE bought a VD Stadt 34 in 2006 and are sailing regularly and still working on our to-do list.


Please understand work and maintenance to keep your pride and joy sailing never stops!!!


Enjoy which ever boat you buy but most of all sail her regularly


Tips on Buying A Boat - Part 3 (Why Not To Buy A Boat)

Posted on July | 23rd | 2008
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This response on boat-buying tips and horror stories was so good that I publish it in its entirety.  Peter Hall makes an impassioned plea not to buy a boat. It’s absolutely brilliant and sums up the insanity of sailing. Dear Neighbors:

You are clearly infected by an insidious disease that will consume your brain and bank account. Boats: can’t live with them, can’t live without them. Shamelessly trite but true. They break, maintenance tasks are endless, and the yacht industry is full of many screwballs whose customer service attitudes make the telephone and computer industry look positively stellar. How could I possibly forget the boatyard who cut the wires leading out of the bottom of my mast instead of just disconnecting them before taking the mast down for winter storage. Or the year one yard kept billing me for services on a boat I did not own. Or the sail loft who promised me a new genoa within 2 months, and yet a year and half later it was not quite done despite full prepayment (my bad). More recently one yard wired my boat so poorly one battery was not connected, the high tech mapping device had me going 180 degrees the opposite direction and a newly installed depth sounder pointed at my keel and of course always indicated I was effectively aground at all times.

These expensive toys have no brakes, a serious design flaw if you ask me. You may have a boat weighing 10,000 pounds and no effective way to stop the damn thing when sailing. Even a 16 pound road bike has a highly effective braking system. Your time on the water will be filled with hours of boredom, times of blissful pleasure and moments of pure terror. Old married couples scream at each other while docking and at other times gaze at each other in supreme marital bliss while sipping cocktails in the cockpit at sunset. I mean think about it, the seemingly simple task of just parking the friggin’ boat can turn into this major production with all the logistics and coordination of a military assault. You will put hours of work into this hobby and some years it will seem like there is more work on the boat than playing on the boat. You will wait all week to go sailing on your precious summer weekends, only to end up having rain 3 weekends in a row. The sailing season in Maine is brief. And yet our coast of Maine is clearly one of the prettiest, most romantic and inviting areas to sail in anywhere in the world. Our state is rated one of the top 3 cruising destinations in the world. Even after decades of being around our waters I never cease to be amazed by the view. Picture sailing along with the boat perfectly trimmed and balanced, water gurgling down the hull, blue sky and sun, a pilot whale off the starboard bow and you are gazing at conifer covered islands all around. And then 1/2 hour later you are panicing and totally stressed out because the fog has rolled in big time and you are surrounded by ledges. The evil flip side of the phase “Rockbound Maine Coast” becomes all too apparent. And believe me, sooner or later you will run aground. I even remember hitting bottom in a marina when assured by the “Dockmaster” (he was all of 16 years old) that was it was not possible to run aground where I was because I was in the alley way between the docks. And this despite the fact he was watching me ineffectually and ultimately disastrously gunning my engine back and forth and stirring up the mud. Low and behold while at full throttle I discovered how quickly my boat accelerates when it suddenly breaks free. Of course this discovery occurred in an area of restricted space surrounded by yachts of far more value than my own. To be honest virtually every year at the start of a new season I mentally hold my breath, because without fail something bad will occur before the boat is put up for the long winter.

Consider just a few of the phrases and words that are part of the lexicon of sailing:
1. Life preserver
2. Life sling
3. Broaching
3. Death roll
4. Rogue wave
5. White squall
6. Dismasting
7. Man overboard
8. Lifeline
9. Limit of positive stability
10. Lost at sea.

It truly is a strange passion. And yet every winter like thousands of other defectives I find myself daydreaming about the next boating season. And it is usually because I think about certain moments. Moments like rounding a crowded windward mark in a large fleet or getting the boat on a plane downwind in a blustery breeze. Or awakening at daybreak on a perfectly still ocean and watching the seabirds fish for breakfast with that first cup of coffee in my hand.

Like I said it is a disease and short of death there may be no cure. And to paraphrase/butcher Dickens: Sailing has given me some of the most thrilling moments in my life and some of the worst.

Have you considered taking up quilting?